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standard CTOPS restrictions
[edit]Is there a reason we include blocks and page protection in the list at Wikipedia:Contentious topics#Standard set when those are already authorized for admins everywhere? Valereee (talk) 16:28, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yes. Because those restrictions then operate under the appeals/reversal procedures of Contentious Topics rather than the traditional procedures. The difference between the two is that CTOP gives a first mover advantage, while the traditional procedures give a second mover advantage. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:30, 13 March 2025 (UTC) Edit: It also requires different processes for appeals than the standard processes which is part of the first/second mover piece but impacts a different person so worth noting separately. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:42, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, got it, so it's the as an AE action part. Thanks! Valereee (talk) 16:33, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Valereee it would be as a Contentious topic action with an AE action being something else and governed by related but slightly different rules (as our discussion around blocking highlights). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:41, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- So much still to understand lol...I'll go see if I can figure out the difference before I bug you again here to spoon feed me. :D Valereee (talk) 16:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Do these have to be logged? Doug Weller talk 19:25, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- CTOPs restrictions? My understanding is yes, whether via rough consensus at AE or as an individual admin action. Valereee (talk) 14:21, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Valereee it would be as a Contentious topic action with an AE action being something else and governed by related but slightly different rules (as our discussion around blocking highlights). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:41, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, got it, so it's the as an AE action part. Thanks! Valereee (talk) 16:33, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- In addition to the differences in appeal/reversal, situations involving patterns of behaviour that typically require community discussion before enacting a remedy can be handled instead by a single administrator on their sole discretion. (The appeal/reversal procedures for actions taken under the scope of the contentious topic designation act as a brake to avoid quick reversals that can lead to escalating cycles of combativeness.) isaacl (talk) 02:21, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Sure but that's not true about blocking/protection which is what Valereee asked about- specifically the sanctions that admins normally can do. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:35, 14 March 2025 (UTC)