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Removal of text?

Whose idea was it to remove over half of the text in the article? I've salvaged the most important bits about conscientious objection in different countries and moved it to another article. Is this some kind of censorship, or just an attempt to keep the article at a manageable size? 193.167.132.66 08:59, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, that's me, User:JIP. Wikipedia accidentally signed me out, again. — JIP | Talk 09:00, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It seems like vandalism or censorship to me. 207.67.132.123

Please add this info about Iran

The true Commander of all military forces in Iran is his leader(currently Khameni). The leader of Iran is Waley Faqih(Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists). There some people who refuse to serve in military due to their objections to this newly added feature to shiism(They belive Welayat Faqih is made up like Bahism and Wahhabism by Jews). In 2002 one of those guys send a letter to leader asking permiting him to marry arguing he has reached puberty and no longer could resist abstinence( It is a great sin in Islam to do sex without marrying). An Objector loses all his social rights in Iran. Surprisingly the leader accepted to let them marry. But officially if such persons are caught they will be prisoned for around 3-4 years.You can serve your draft in prison but the military judge can punish you more months. For some years the draft in Iran was sold officially from 2 to 4 thousond dallars,but this trade is stopped after recent oil boom. But Iranian who are aboard for more than two years can still buy it 5000 dollars. You can also lend 16000 dollars to government and get your passport. if you dont return you will lose your money.

Search CIA files, some people who are not legally stateless, are "philosophycally stateless" and some have officially published texts, so no need for CIA intelligence there

Some conscientious objectors consider themselves pacifist, non-interventionist, non-resistant, non-aggressionist, anti-imperialist, antimilitarist or philosophically stateless (not believing in the notion of state).

If one doesn't believe in the notion of the state, why to serve its army?
A philosophical stateless isn't necessarily pacifist. He/she simply doesn't accept or care about countries.

Quakers in the United Kingdom in the 18th Century

Someone just made a change (with an irrelevant summary of 'Israel') to say "The United Kingdom recognised the right of individuals not to fight in the 18th century following major problems with attempting to force Quakers into military service. The Militia Ballot Act of 1757...". Is there any evidence or source to back up the claim there were major problems? The UK was unusual in not having conscription. The militia were volunteers who did not serve overseas and the Militia Ballot Act was merely a way to encourage militia members to sign up for the army, which was being made more professional. I can find no reference to Quakers causing any kind of major problem; it seems provision was made to Quakers on humanitarian grounds. There were protests against the Militia Act in Scotland and so it was not enacted there, but that was nothing to do with conscientious objection. Other than passing comments on web sites, or copy-n-paste duplicates of this paragraph from Wikipedia, has anyone any contemporary sources for significant maltreatment of Quakers or significant protests by Quakers prior to the 1757 bill? I am not saying it did not happen, but that it needs a source, and I can't find one. SandJ-on-WP (talk) 10:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reich Labour Service

A section on the below should be added.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich_Labour_Service

Kenixkil (talk) 12:50, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]